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armstrong_islamI’ve been horrified by the news and sights of ISIS beheading innocent people for their terrorist reasons, and I’ve been despairing over our western response. All the time I’ve been rereading Karen Armstrong’s Islam: A Short History.

I am a firm disciple of nonviolence, both as a Christian, a Sufi, and a follower of the nonviolence of Martin Luther King. Yet I fantasize about violent retaliation against extremist fundamentalists like ISIS, and feel pleasure at the thoughts. I accept that as a natural response, and my despair is over not that, but over the ignorance displayed in the responses of our government and many talking heads.

ISIS’ response, at almost every point, is against the revelation of the Quran given to Mohammed, bless his name. ISIS is not motivated by religious beliefs or conflict, but by a natural, although irrational response to the denial of their culture that marked our colonialism of the Middle East, and the oppression that has caused. For the past 400 years Western Europe has moved into, often invading, their lands so that our economic system will continue to have and control the markets for resources and consumers we need to continue the profit. In many cases we have invaded very viable, relatively high, successful, stable, and peaceful societies, finding that they don’t use the legal forms that we employ to legitimize our legal controls. We declared that lack of Western forms the absence of any governmental system, and substituted our governments for theirs.

An interesting story of local history: The Spokane Tribe at one time had a large farm that grew grain for the miners in the area. The major holdings were at the confluence of the Spokane and Little Spokane rivers just beyond present Nine Mile. One fall about 150 years ago, the tribe decided to take a long weekend and attend a pow wow over in Coeur d’Alene. They all packed up and went visiting. The local Europeans went out to their farm, dismantled all the buildings and rebuilt them, filing in the local court in town deeds of homesteading. When the rightful owners returned they found their homes and barns had been destroyed. In the resulting court battle over ownership the tribe said they all knew the boundaries and ownerships, and all in the tribe could verbally state them exactly. The judge asked for paper verification, which the tribe, having only oral verifications, could not provide. There was also problems with their communal ownership, for Europeans were requiring individual or corporate ownership. Guess who won, and guess how the members of the tribe felt?

Hopeless! As if they were in Gaza.

It is this clash of cultures, and the hopelessness we cause in others, many whom then turn terrorist. Both cultures are at source democratic. We accent Of the people, by the people, and for the people. Islam states it as Of the people, by Allah, for the people. A good rule insures the use of just and peaceful means to the benefit of all relatively equally. Unlike we westerners, that use the vote as the demarcation of democracy.

Also, Islamic cultures closely identify religion and the state. Their whole history has been marked with a working out of the social forms that are to be employed. They, up to the time of colonialism, were successful in that meld, not perfect, but successful. Although there are some exceptions, their answer worked usually for several generations, benefiting all citizens, no matter what religion one belonged to.

So the West moves in, with our hubris , imposing our forms, dislocating their cultures. No wonder there is violence. It took us a couple of thousand years to develop our ways. How can we expect them to abandon their ways, which have worked as well for them as ours have for us, and adopt our ways all within the time it takes to change a regime?
I suggest we first try to understand Muslim culture and history before we send troops. We can start by reading Karen Armstrong’s Islam: A Short History.

Thomas Schmidt
Thomas Schmidt
Thomas Schmidt is a retired psychotherapist and chemical dependency counselor who belongs to the Sufi Ruhiniat International order of Sufi’s and is a drummer in the Spokane Sufi group and an elder at the Country Homes Christian (Disciples of Christ) Church. He is a member of the Westar Institute (The Jesus Seminar people). He studied for the ministry in the late 1950’s at Texas Christian Church and twice married Janet Fowler, a member of a long tern TCU family and a Disciple minister. He was active in the Civil Rights Movement, studying philosophy at Columbia University and psychology in the University of North Carolina university system. He has taught philosophy and psychology, and was professionally active in Florida, North Carolina, and, for 25 years in Spokane. He has studied and practiced Siddha Yoga, Zen Buddhism and, since the mid 1970’s, Sufism and the Dances of Universal Peace. He has three sons and three grandchildren. With the death of his wife, Janet, he is continuing their concentration on human rights, ecology, and ecumenical and interfaith reconciliation.

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Eric Blauer
Eric Blauer
10 years ago

Ugh. The West deserves it? I’m pretty sure the child beheadings contradict your attempt to push atrocities off the perpetrators and onto the victims. The same reasoning gets lambasted when anyone tries to blame the victim for their abuse but when it comes to Islamist barbarism, it’s the victims fault.

Bill Maher took on Charlie Rose and this line of Islamic advocacy. I think he dismantled the argument in typical Bill fashion:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/09/10/maher_vs_charlie_rose_to_claim_islam_is_like_other_religions_is_naive_and_plain_wrong.html

Seems like I resonate with the clear reasoning of the atheists more than the progressives. Here’s Christopher Hitchens, who called the Islamic Caliphate agenda back in 2005.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9jx4xE2pgY

Does Moderate Islam provide enough protection from sympathizing or supportive Islam? I don’t think so: France:
A new, widely-covered poll shows that a full 16% of French people have positive attitudes toward ISIS. That includes 27% of French between the ages of 18-24.

Britain:
In 2006, a poll for the Sunday Telegraph found that 40% of British Muslims wanted shariah law in the United Kingdom,

Palestine:
2013 poll showed 40% of Palestinians supporting suicide bombings and attacks against civilians. 89% favored sharia law.

Pakistan:
2009: 76% of Pakistanis wanted strict shariah law in every Islamic country.

Indonesia:
2009: 49% said they supported strict sharia law in every Islamic country.

Egypt:
2009: 65% said they wanted strict sharia law in every Islamic country.

USA:
A 2013 poll from Pew showed that 13% of American Muslims said that violence against civilians is often, sometimes or rarely justified to defend Islam.

In short: tens of millions all over the world support to sympathize with extremist goals.
-http://www.breitbart.com/…/04/myth-tiny-radical-minority

In a world of 1.6 billion Muslims the challenges of countering the perceptions and activities of extremists is a gargantuan challenge. I applaud the actions and responses of those groups. But the interviews and polls I linked to address other issues, not the question if there is any outcry among Muslims. Everyone who is following this whole ISIS/ISIL chaos knows that Muslims are being slaughtered too. The fact that ISIS is recruiting from Western countries that do not have the usual poverty/oppression points used as the reasoning behind radicalization is something that needs to be better explained by the moderate Muslim apologetic too.

Garry Oliver
Garry Oliver
10 years ago

I would be interested in your response to the view (and consequent treatment) of women by ISIS as well as Muslim cultures in general…as in Saudi Arabia?

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